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alam68
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Dear Sir,

Pls advise if L/c opener bank Failed to mentioned abt Claim Clause during open the L/c and thereafter if seller also failed to supply the material as per L/c terms with time and  with any single quantity of goods , then how can buyer make a  claim against Seller.  

Pls mail me your kind advise .

My e-mail id : alamship@gmail.com

Rgds

Morshed   

Abrar
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"Claim clause"

I'm not sure that I understand what you mean by "claim clause", but in any case, if the seller does not ship, he does not get paid, whether through the LC, or outside the LC. 

As to whether the buyer can make a claim, this would be defined under the supply contract between the two parties, and the usual requirement would be for the seller to provide the buyer with a performance bond, for a percentage (typically up to 10%) of the value of the contract. Depending on how this is drawn up, this would then enable the buyer  to recover a penalty in the form of a financial compensation.

alam68
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Dear Sir, 

Thanking you very much  for your kind reply .

Supply contract  buyer only  got Proforma Invoice from seller   there is no other any purchase contract between buyer and seller and after got proforma invoice buyer open the L/c , but Buyer never mentioned   in the L/c abt  any Performance or Claim subject.

Now found tht seller not able to supply the goods as per their proforma invoice.

Seller now informing buyer that price become high. so buyer now asking for claim. so need to know how buyer able to claim against seller.

rgds

Morshed 

 

 

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phill doran
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Hello Morshed,

Well there are three seperate issues here;

Was there actually contract between the parties?

I realise – or think I do – that you feel there was, but was there? Was the pro-forma an offer to do business or an only an advert? Was it time-sensitive and did the buyer not respond in time? Did it require written acceptance and was the acceptance forthcoming? Perhaps the buyer did not open up the credit as per the seller’s requirements and the seller feels the contract was void as a consequence of this omission or something along those lines. Maybe the seller's new price could be seen as a counter-offer and the negotiation as being still fresh...There is a lot to this issue – determining if you have a claim for breach begins by determining if a contract exists to be breached in the first place. Contracts are the actions or intentions of parties, not the paper – which merely evidences the parties’ intentions to act: but clearly, the written contract would be a handy thing to have in dispute resolution, such as you are now faced with. With no written record of the agreement to contract, you end up having, as I said, to prove the existence of a contract first, before you could contemplate damages.

The second point is – if we could prove the contract – what damages would you be entitled to? The UNCISG sets down a specific formula for loss and damages based on percentages of the contract value over a time-period for performance. They are not mandatory clauses, but in the absence of a written agreement laying down a formula, they are often used a guides, particularly if either or both parties are in countries who have ratified the UNCISG.

The third issue – and by far and away the most important point – is: if we assume the buyer has a claim for breach and further if we assume we can calculate what this claim amounts to materially, then; what could the buyer do to recover this amount? Sadly, the tyranny of distance means that the buyer can often not afford to pursue a claim in a foreign jurisdiction and defaults and breach such as you have described, become written-off by the aggrieved party as “experience”.

As Abrar has mentioned, there are means of securing performance through various bank instruments – but the credit is not one of these. The ultimate penalty for a beneficiary who fails to perform is that they do not get paid – but this is perhaps no compensation for the buyer who has consequences greater than the value of the goods to contemplate should the seller not perform.

This is perhaps not the reply you want, but it is most probably the correct reply none-the-less.

phill doran

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alam68
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Dear Friend Mr. Doran .Good day Thks fr your kind advise . Actully what is the problem happend buyer and seller  that is after sent the proforma invoice within next days seller inform buyer over phone tht is price now become high now , but they request buyer to open the L/c within week otherwise they will not attend it , For your information that buyer opend the L/c within week as per seller mentioned time but after rcv the L/c by seller bank, the seller inform to buyer over phone that price now high more then  usd 50 pmt and thereafter they keep silent without informing any further movement , So buyer now looking way to prepare the claim against seller .  Tht is the situation.RgdsMorshed 

 

phill doran
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Hello

Well, if you like, you could get a legal opinion, but I think you will be told that you have little to no possibility of enforcing a claim. Verbal agreements are notoriously difficult to deal with and the credit is not relevant in this issue.

A credit is an offer from the issuing bank to the beneficiary. It is not an offer from the buyer to the seller and the beneficiary is not obligated to accept a credit or respond to it.

Any claim you may have for breach will rest solely on the sales contract which, based on what you have reported so far, does not appear to be very stable.

I would not discourage you to take advice on the matter locally, wherever you are based, but I should image the cost of any action will dissuade you from pursuing it.

I wish you well.

cheers

phill doran

"...in armour bright, the merchant men..."