hi
We have issued a Letter of credit mentioning incoterm as FOB and called for forwarders cargo receipt
we have received the belwo clarification from the advising bank
quote
LC calls for forwardes cargo receipt which is inconsistent with incoterm FOB being a sea shipment
unquote
Please clarify where is the inconsistency ?
Hello Gayathri srinivasan
Let me start by saying that my opinion has always been that a commercial term has no place in a credit and for as long as they are called for in the credit they add no value and lead only to confusion. I realise you are bound by the ‘rules’ of credits and as such my opinion is not relevant, but I do think that the question you have posed supports my position: commercial terms are contract dialogue for sales agreements. They have no bearing on credits and are irrelevant in a commercial invoice: they appear and have use in sales contracts only.
However, the matter at hand is;
“LC calls for forwarders cargo receipt which is inconsistent with Incoterm FOB being a sea shipment”
Now this is not an issue about credits or about the UCP. The statement is only about the constancy of the term with the document, right?
Well, on that basis, if this is the opinion of the advising bank alone, acting in that capacity, then their statement is nonsense and should be ignored or at least challenged.
There is NO exclusive association with the trade term FOB or the Incoterm FOB and any specifc document such as the bill of lading (by name or any transport document generally). The seller and buyer can opt for whatever document is customary in their usage and if that is an FCR or a letter from the Pope, then whatever it is, that’s the document they are prepared to work with. If the said document turns out to be unacceptable in terms of the credit, then there is just as good an argument that the parties change their method of payment as there is that they change their document of choice.
The only time the seller is obligated to assist in securing a transport document under the FOB ‘rule” (as the ICC would like it termed) is if the buyer specifically requests the seller’s assistance to secure it – and clearly from the documentary demands of the credit, the buyer – as applicant – is most clearly NOT requesting such a document. The use of a bill of lading or any specifc transport document in the FOB rule, is driven by the buyer, not the seller. The advising bank’s opinion is therefore meaningless in this context. So, if their opinion has meaning, it is only with regard to the compatibility of the document with the rules of the credit, not the rules of the seller and buyer's trade term.
Only an opinion...
cheers
phill doran
...thus: another step on the road to mercantile enlightenment...
In my personal view, i would like to add that Bank doesn't need to search for such consistancy. This is just a price term which should appear on Invoice.
here a FCR is required and Forwarder is responsible to take the goods on board a vessel. If FCA is used in that case Terminal Charges at the port of loading and loading on vessel charges etc are to be on buyers account, but if buyer doesn't want to pay these charges, he has no option other than FOB, which bank should accept any way.
my question to the advising bank, (if that bank has asked above quoted line only), do you want to change the Incoterm or you want to call a bill of lading?
please correct me if I am wrong.
Regards,
Yaseen.
As PAN indicates, a FOB term (Free on Board ) is incompatible with an LC not requiring a B/L to be presented. AN FCR is not considered a transport document under the ICC rules, and a more appropriate incoterm might have been FCA.
Dear Phil, Abrar and Pan,
Good to read your comments. Well appreciated. But it has left me confused....what IS the correct position vis-a-vis FOB?
It may so happen that Incoterms 2010 may add to the confusion (or simplify the issue, perhaps?). From whatever little that I have been able to gather, the terms FAS, FOB, CFR and CIF are proposed to be categorised under "RULES FOR SEA AND INLAND WATERWAY TRANSPORT". Henceforth (from 1. Jan 2011), contrary to what Phil has said and has also been our general understanding till now, FOB and the other three Incoterms - are they to be out of bounds for AWB and such like?
The draft "guidance note" proposes that this rule [FOB] is to be used only for sea or inland waterway transport (emphasis added). The draft document offers the same "guidance" for the other terms, viz., FAS, CFR and CIF.
The draft Incoterms 2010 suggests that under the terms EXW, FCA, FAS and FOB, the so-called "transport document" may simply be a receipt. Welcome forwarders to FOB shipment?
Where does all these developments leave us?
Hello Catalyst
I am not sure what I have said that is 'contrary'? Perhaps I have expressed myself poorly...
First off, please bear in mind that “FOB” of itself is not only an “Incoterms” rule, it is a commercial term which has many meanings in many contexts – it is also a customs valuation symbol which has a separate meaning entirely separate and unconnected to commercial terms.
Certainly it is ALSO and Incoterms rule, and as an Incoterms rule it has always been restricted to sea and inland waterway transport. So, as an Incoterms rule, you would not use FOB in airfreight in a sales agreement, (but see my note below, my question on “CIF” in the context of the credit.)
In Incoterms rules, unless modified in the sales contract or by customary practice between the parties, the seller need only provide the buyer with the usual document to evidence the delivery of the cargo to the vessel’s rail. It is supplementary (and only on the buyer’s request and at their risk of failure to secure it) that the seller must specifically produce a document that also functions as a transport document.
Hence my disagreement with the advising bank’s statement: there is no direct association to FOB and a transport document. But, whatever document is called for, it must certainly evidence the maritime handover of the underlying goods.
If the advising bank has a right to reject the credit or query it, then perhaps there is a basis to reject the document in terms of the UCP or the credit itself, but that is NOT what was being said in the initial post. The advising bank was saying that the document was incompatible with the term. I contend that, not only is the advising bank’s assertion incorrect, as a general proposition it is outside the scope of banking for the bank to even contemplate the problem.
Commercial terms in general, and Incoterms rules in particular, regulate the relationship between the seller and the buyer. The credit is a contract between the beneficiary and the issuing bank. There is NO connection between these two sets of parties, neither in their respective contracts nor in the broader context at law – hence the ‘separateness' of the credit from the sales contract, a central tenant of the UCP.
Now, a question for you as a negotiating bank; A credit is presented to you along with a set of documents which are fully compliant in every respect. However, the credit calls for the Incoterms rule CIF (which we know to be seafreight only) but with an air waybill called for as the transport document. Remember, the documents are compliant, the air waybill is in order and the Incoterms rule CIF is emblazoned across the commercial invoice.
Now: is there a discrepancy in this contradiction?
Answer: I think it is “No” - but if you disagree, can you tell me under what article of the UCP you could possibly reject this?
tick, tick, tick (that’s time passing...)
We could, however, be sure that the tendering of the air waybill in terms of the sales agreement is unacceptable – either the document is wrong and Incoterms CIF is right or the air waybill is right and the Incoterms rule (that is to say, the seller and buyer’s choice of this rule) is incorrect. But it is all irrelevant in the credit
So, what advantage was it to the banker to know the Incoterms rule, how did the use of the Incoterms rules strengthen the banker’s, the applicant’s or the beneficiary’s position?
Commercial terms, formed under whatever rules, are private matters of contact between sellers and buyers.
In our case in point, the advising bank has no involvement or authority in the issue they are disputing.
Please, if I am unclear, let me know: this is a subject I enjoy debating and if you wish to engage me on it, I would welcome it.
However, it is only an opinion...
cheers
phill doran
...thus: another step on the road to mercantile enlightenment...
Hi Phill et al
Fully agree and endorse your views. However, I believe (and as expressed in my post) that the advising bank as a matter of good practice (but without any intended intereferne with the underlying contract, as may have been agreed between buyer and seller) would attempt to obtain clarification on any issues which might compromise the performance under the LC. Such issues may or may not be connected to UCP provisions, but the advising bank as much for its own benefit as much as for the beneficiary's benefit may seek clarification prior to LC performance, but of couse, there is no compunction .
Dear Phil,
tick...tick...tick....
You wrote, "Now: is there a discrepancy in this contradiction? Answer: I think it is “No” - but if you disagree, can you tell me under what article of the UCP you could possibly reject this? "
You are absolutely correct. Is the difference created by the wordsmiths, for those who love verbal acrobatics? How many of those exporters and importers, in the actual trade, really bother whether CIF is exclusively for sea transport!! Has business stopped because Incoterms says so?
You could not have been clearer. Wonderfully written "opinion". A million thanks.
Hi Friend,
a part you have to indicate FOB (Port) Incoterms 2000 to link it to the well known ICC Incoterm, a forwarders cargo receipt only shows that the forwarder took up your goods for a further shipment, placing goods on board a vessel asap.
The bank was correc t in stating so, but I think the issue will not regulated by UCP.
Other comments appreciated
Ciao
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