Negotiation

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Mohammed al-kelani
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Dear all

in explanation of the NEGOTIATION payment term, kindly note the following:

negotiation means the purchase of documents OR draft(drawn on another bank) by the nominated bank or by confirming bank, while an issuing bank may not negotiate because it's already undertaking to honor(sight/deferred/accept) but not negotiate.

we find that a bank which is authorized in the credit to negotiate may face certain financial risk due to purchase, so the nominated is not obliged to negotiate unless it has confirmed the credit, because a confirming bank which is authorized to negotiate can not decide not to take that financial risk.

negoatiation is devided into (TERM NEGOTIATION   or  SIGHT NEGOTIATION), but you can not tell which one of them is applicable in the L/C by just looking at the term of payment in the swift(by the way for those who do not know what the word swift stands for, it's SOCIETY WORLDWIDE INTERBANK FINANCIAL TELECOMMUNICATION), so if you want to know what kind of negotiation is meant in the credit you have to look into the reimbursement instructions at the end of the L/C , if the reimbursement was such as( we will authorize negotiating bank after we receive complying docs on our counters, this is deemed to be a sight negotiation, because the negotiating bank will purchase from his own funds and be reimbursed as soon as these complying docs reaches the issuing bank.

but if the reimbursement instructions was such as(we will reimburse nogotiating bank after 90 days (for example) from receiving complying docs on our counters or any other event occuring, this is deemed to be a term negoatiation.

it's important to note that under any negotiation term there are two financial relationships, the first is between the negotiating bank and the beneficiary ,and this relation always represents fast payment from the negotiating bank own funds to the beneficiary , while the second relationship is between the issuing bank and the negotiating bank(regarding when settlement is to be made).

in other words, sight negotiation means fast payment from the negotiating bank to beneficiary and final settlement is made when docs are received by the issuing bank(in compliance), while term negotiation means fast payment from the negotiating bank own funds to beneficiary and final settlement is made after a certain period of time elapses after a specified event like receiving docs or shipment date...etc.

who deeply understand what is written above wil notice that UCP500 was wrong in deviding negotiation into(restricted and non-restricted) ,because restriction is concerned with availablity of the credit and not with the term of payment mentioned in it. ( things are corrected in UCP600 for this reason).

another point to note, is when you issue an acceptance unconfirmed L/C available with a nominated bank and that bank chooses not to accept a draft drawn on it, so the best way to handle the case is to amend the L/C to be available by negotiation by a draft drawn on the issuing bank (instead of being drawn on the nominated bank under the acceptance payment term), so a draft under negotiation has to be drawn on a bank other than the nominated bank.

it's very important to note that any L/C available by negotiation MUST NOT include a reimbursement instructions that allows the nominated bank to debit or reimburse on the account of the issuing bank, but these instructions must only tell that nominated bank when the final settlement will be made to him. accordingly , under a non-confirmed L/C if the nomiated bank chooses not to negotiate then the beneficiary will not receive funds until his complying docs reaches the issuing bank.

many banks wrongly issue  Ls/C available by negotiation with reimbursement instruction allowing the negotiating bak to debit or reimburse on there account,,so what will be the difference in this case between sight payment L/C and negotiation L/C if both Ls/C authorize the nominated bank to collect funds and pay the beneficiary from the issuing bank funds, and where is the purchase concept here?

 

i hope this brief explanation about negotiation will do the job, if any colleague feels unsatisfied plz include your comment inorder to discuss.

REGARDS.

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irfman
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term negotiation & deferred payment undertaking

wat is the difference between credit available by negotation ( term negtation as explained by Mohammed al-kelani) &  credit available by deferred payment if nominated bank incurs its deferred payment undertaking & prepaiys before maturity?, i mean to say in both the instances nominated bank will get the funds at maturity. please clear this for me, thanks in anticipation.

 

shahriar
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Dear ifrman

The best man to answer this question would be Mohammad. But since he is missing since last few weeks, I will try to help u. however all my understanding is based on Mohammad's I must say.

It seems u r missing an important point; definition of negotiating. As per UCP, Negotiation means the purchase by the nominated bank of draft (drawn on a bank other than the nominated bank) and/or documents under a complying presentation, by advancing or agreeing to advance funds to the beneficiary on or before the banking day on which reimbursement is due to the nominated bank.

Negotiation is divided into -

Sight Negotiating - negotiating bank will be paid by the issuing bank as soon as they receive complying docs.

Term negotiating - negotiating bank will be paid by the issuing bank after xxx days of a complying presentation.

To me, these two types of negotiating are basically against the two types of LC; sight and deferred payment. Therefore credit available by negotiation Vs credit available by deferred payment is not a valid question.

Again if u r asking term negotiation Vs Deferred payment undertaking by nominated bank and paid before maturity; there is no differences. Later is the definition of the first one. Hope that answer the question.

Shahriar

 

irfman
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Sir, i need to know what is the difference between

 1) Deferred Payment LC available by negotiation (reimbursment after 90 days from BL date)

2) Credit available by deferred payment with 90 days from BL date and nominated bank incurs its deferred payment undertaking & prepays before maturity

I mean in both the cases reimbursment to the nominated bank will be after 90 days so what is the difference between the two since one is available by negotiation & other by deffered payment, awaiting your reply, thanks in anticipation 

 

nhduc.dng
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Deferred Payment Credit and Acceptance Credit

Dear Irfman,

I hope my postings at http://letterofcreditforum.com/node/87  http://letterofcreditforum.com/node/89

can be helpful.

Best regards,

Nguyen Huu Duc

shahriar
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Dear irfman,

Your questions are bit conflicting to me.
You are looking for

Deferred Payment LC available by negotiation and nominated bank pays before maturity.

VS

Deferred payment LC with 90 days from BL date and nominated bank incurs an undertaking and pays before maturity.

Right?

For the second case, the payment made by the nominated bank is actually a negotiation; term negotiation. The alternative possible could be that negotiation is restricted with issuing bank and the presenting bank is advancing which is outside the LC. But since the nominated bank is incurring an undertaking, it's a negotiable LC.

The fact is when the negotiating bank is getting payment is not important. The concept is negotiating bank will be paying the before receiving payment from the issuing bank. Hope that answer the question.

Shahriar

irfman
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still not clear

thankyou very much for the explaination but i m still not clear so  starting the query again.


case1:
41D: Available With / By : By negotiation with bank A
42P: Deferred Payment Details: 90 days after BL date
53A: Reimbursement to be made after 90 days from BL date

case2:
41D Available With / By : By Deferred Payment with bank A
42P Deferred Payment Details: 90 days after BL date

In both the cases Bank A is nominated bank (beneficary's bank), now under case2 as per article 12-b of ucp600 the nominated bank prepays the deferred payment undertaking by advancing funds to beneficary before maturity.

Now as per atricle 7-c "Reimbursement for the amount of a complying presentation under a credit available by acceptance or deferred payment is due at maturity, whether or not the nominated bank prepaid or purchased before maturity."

Now my question is in both the scenarios, nominated bank will be reimbursed at maturity so what is the significance of term negotiation?

 

shahriar
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answer in detail

Dear irfman,

You said,

case1:
41D: Available With / By: By negotiation with bank A
42P: Deferred Payment Details: 90 days after BL date
53A: Reimbursement to be made after 90 days from BL date

case2:
41D Available With / By: By Deferred Payment with bank A
42P Deferred Payment Details: 90 days after BL date

Allow me to replace negotiation
with deferred payment in case one. Now they are exactly the same. No conflict. Lets
define deferred payment now.

 

Means that the exporter will get
payment after 90 days. Interest is on exporter's account if discounted. Now we
are considering a situation where the beneficiary is paid before the 90 days. Lets
see whether it is possible or not under UCP.

 

UCP says 12b
"By nominating a bank to accept a draft or incur
a deferred payment undertaking, an issuing bank authorizes that nominated
bank to prepay or purchase a draft accepted or a deferred payment undertaking
incurred by that nominated bank."

 

That means
if a bank is nominated one, it can incur a deferred payment undertaking and
eventually may purchase or discount its own undertaking. Of course it will be
charging interest to the exporter for this since it will be doing so from its
own pocket as the issuing bank will only pay at maturity. Article 7c says "Reimbursement
for the amount of a complying presentation under a credit available by acceptance
or deferred payment is due at maturity, whether or not the nominated bank
prepaid or purchased before maturity."

 

Now return to your negotiation
term. What is negotiation? UCP Article 2 says "Negotiation means the purchase by the nominated bank of draft
(drawn on a bank other than the nominated bank) and/or documents under a
complying presentation, by advancing or agreeing to advance funds to the
beneficiary on or before the banking day on which reimbursement is due to the
nominated bank."

 

If we
consider 12b in the light of article 2, we can say "By nominating a bank to
accept a draft or incur a deferred payment undertaking, an issuing bank
authorizes that nominated bank to negotiate
(prepay or purchase) a draft accepted or a deferred payment undertaking
incurred by that nominated bank."

 

So the
deferred LC available with bank A is in fact a deferred LC available by negotiation.
Therefore if the nominated bank incurs a deferred payment undertaking but
refused to pay before maturity, it's simply a deferred LC and if the nominated
bank purchases it, then it's a deferred LC which has been negotiated. The wording
like deferred LC available by negotiation is actually a deferred LC available
with nominated bank.

 

Here I tried
to answer the question from my best understanding. Dear, Nguyen Huu Duc, I followed
the links and at some points I became bit confused especially at http://www.letterofcreditforum.com/node/89#comment-209

I think
your opinion is especially good under UCP 500. please correct me if I am wrong
in interpretation in the above case.

 

shahriar

pan
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SWIFT Standard Category 7

Dear Friends,

are you sure to use the MT 700 properly?

It seems to me that you dont follow the SWIFT usage rules, as per book 7.

Ciao 

shahriar
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u r right!!!

dear pan

u r right. im not a user of swift. please explain in detail and help me and irfman if im wrong. i will also appreciate if u plz help me with some links to swift manuals 

 

Shahriar